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the CSW,and the most different thing is that a SWH is sociaal to other dogs.This story goes because they wanted more a working dog in germany. There were from the beginning many different types of the SWH,some of this dogs can be trained,but not all,that dogs go away as housedog or they were killed. Quote:
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dutch association,so it's not the total genetic base.And if you take a look 8 generations back in the line of the CSW,it lookes bad too. Quote:
shows,you need the book to see what's the SWH and the CSW. I don't mean that it is necessary to cross with another breed. I'll hope you all can read it, Christa |
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Dear Christa,
I´m apologizing for writing about all saarloos, but the problems in germany are horrible and it´s a terrible lot of PRA for so few dogs.And the origin of most german dogs are the netherlands. Both breeds are as far as I know german shepherd crossed with wolf, even if the wolf that was used is a different type. Regards Ina |
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Netherlands with 2 exceptions, where the parents are from Netherlands!!! And there is also a bitch in Netherlands, who also has PRA and this smallbrain-degeneration, as far as I know! Maybe in the Netherlands they won't be shown, while in Germany we show our dogs. And all these dogs were almost blind with ca. 3 years! The others, who were blind at the age of 8 are "normally" in body-construction. So it seems to be two different types, that is what the scientist at the Uni Bochum told me! and there were a lot of more dogs with PRA,maybe it's another sickness,they didn't know. Quote:
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The only large dogs that are almost "HD-free" are sighthounds..... Greetings, Margo |
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hope that the scientist at the Uni Bochum will be soon successful. Greeting Claudia |
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Saarloos (purebreed ;-) ), it is very obviously how social they are. We have had a Saarloos Wolfhond-seminar at Mai 1995. There were about twenty Saarloos and two other dogs (Rotti-mixed and another). There were for exaple Günther Bloch and Dr. Hellmuth Wachtel as referees (I think most people know them) and ALL the referees said that they didn't have EVER seen such a harmony between dogs and especially during a seminar!!! The only dogs that tried to make trouble are the two other dogs! Quote:
case is HD-C what also is HD + - . And that are only a few dogs. So there is really none problem in the Saarloos Wolfhond. I hope it doesn't chance in future because of the incross of the CSV! Greetings Claudia |
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Hi Claudia and everybody,
That's a very interesting issue. I have been wondering also why Saarloos seems/IS less aggressive towards other dogs than CsV. More social might not be a correct word , since dominance challenging is a part of the normal social behavior of the dog. All CsVs I know are very social too, but they also want to know their place in a hierarchy (pecking order). I have heard the same thing to bee said in generally of wolf dogs/hybrids: they are often dominant toward other canines ( here, hybrid isn't actually a correct word either since it means an animal which is a crossing between two different species. A wolf and a dog are genetically the same species - and not two different species like for example a horse and a donkey.). regards, Minna |
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Can You please explain why SWH is far from beiing a DOG, why it is more a wolf than the CSV and what do You mean bij "none practical use"? Has every dog in Your opinion to be a working dog? Did You never heard about compagnion dogs? Quote:
I'm not saying to change the name but it is a fact that the GSD also has wolfblood and that his former name was Alsatian wolfdog and that they changed the name because of the public opinion about wolves during that time Gr. Roger. |
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Hello Mirka,
the last wolf into a Saarloos was in the beginning of the sixties,so its not true that this dog is more wolf.And I am sorry that I most say it,but there where very agressief TWH's on the WW dogshow in Amsterdam.That is not good for the name of the breed and is not exceptable in the europeen countries with a lot of people and dogs in a small space. Christa |
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Dear Christa,
it's my personal opinion that Saarloos is more wolf, and i insist on it. But i say it not because of percentage of wolf blood in the breed itself, but of the way it acts - it's more shy, less (if ever) trainable and it's character is really different. About aggressive CSWs at Amsterdam, i can only repeat what i already said - the dog is visiting card of it's owner, and it's only on the owner, how he manages to educate and train the dog so it doesn't bother their surroundings. Also, aggressive dog should be kicked out from the show circle and shouldn't be judged at all! If the refferee is willing to accept aggressive dogs in his circle, such one only supports bad character wolfdogs to get into breed and also makes bad image to the breed itself. I hope you do not think, that we, breeders and keepers of CSWs here in Czech Republic are responsible for dogs in Amsterdam. Every aggressive and not well educated dog makes bad name, but mostly to the owner, not to whole breed. I didn't notice, that all the aggressive poodles and dashhunds (who attack my wolfdog all the time) would be considered bad breed because they do this. Something "funny" in the end. My friend's wolfdog, a 50 kg male, was attacked by "peacefull" retriever and he lost tip of his ear, before he even managed to react. If i should judge all retrievers according to this one, i'd think they are worse than pitbull. Mirka |
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Yes Ann,
there are Saarloos wolfdog people here. I have two of them, and YES, you can train them. As a matter of fact they are very smart dogs, with a lot of patience You can learn them almost everything. Patience, patience, patience is the keyworth. |
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Yes , there are saarloos wolfdog people here. With a lot of patience, You can learn the saarloos wolfdog almost everything. They are not guard dogs, they will not attack buth you can teach them almost everything if you can understand them. Patience is the keyword. He is as much dog as the CSV. Both are FCI recognized breed, the SWH even longer than the CSV. Gr. Roger |
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Ann,
Surely not the old methods of forcefullness like they did 15, 20 years ago with the Belgian or Germans shepherds in Belgian clubs to train police dogs. It works the opposite by the SWH. Reward the good behaviour, (clicker methode is possible)ignore the bad and patience , patience patience. I don't know if it says anything to You but we call it here Symbiose method. Roger. |
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Yes what Roger said is true,you can train them,but the question is of
they follow up the commando's :-)).I must say that he have two dogs from Germany and I have two of the dutch assosiation and that are different lines. I trained my bitch now half a year and there are things she likes to do(following,stay down,yumping)and things she never do on the training(apport,searching)but at home very well. She also never plays at the training. Christa |
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Hello Ann,
I trained my SWH in the positief way,but sometimes I must use the older methode. And I can say my dogs don't let strangers into the house when we are not at home,we have heared that from people when the tryed to come in.(sometimes the backdoor is open) Christa |
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When I was going to the training in the beginning with mij Saarloos,she
doesn't want something to eat,so a lot of things I could not teach her.When I came home ,she want eat and I try to do the trucks and she does everthing perfect.So I think my Saarloos is more wolf than I sometimes think. Christa |
Saarloos Wolfdogs Are Not Bad!
I live in (United States) and I own a Saarloos Wolfdog. I had him shipped from Europe when he was a puppy. Anyway, you want more info on Saarloos Wolfdogs? OK!! Saarloos wolfdogs, here in America, are not registered by any Kennel Club, including the AKC! Sucks, doesn't it? They are really rare, but some dog crazy people, like me, know about them and buy Saarloos Wolfdogs from Europe. The Saarloos Wolfdog is a reserved, playful, independent breed. They're not suitable for urban life and are also best suited in a country or suburban home. They bark at strangers, animals, and other dogs. It is a very strong-willed dog, and is best suited to experianced dog owners. Even though I'm 13 Years old, I train, play with, and take care of my Saarloos Wolfdog all by myself. Saarloos Wolfdogs are pretty devoted to their family, so they must not be left alone for long times, they get pretty lonely. They tend to be good with children in the family, as long as they are not hyper little children that play rough with a dog. The Saarloos is easier to train than the Czech Wolfdog, and Saarloos's are friendlier too. I've heard that these two breeds were banned from UK kennel clubs. That sucks for some Europeans, but I bet if we get more Saarloos's in America, the AKC might register them. Anyway, SAARLOOS'S ARE NOT BAD! I own one, as you know, and he is not very mean at all! He barks a lot, growls, and nips, but he isn't a flesh-tearing dog! Pit bulls, Rotties, Dobermans, and German Shepherds can be meaner! Well, in America where I live, the Saarloos is a rare, but unique find. Everytime I walk Spyro (my saarloos wolfdog's name), everyone is astounded to see a beautiful dog.
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Interesting. Where is this dog from? (Kennel)
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Do you also keep Checkoslovakian wolfdogs? I think your description is very classic of a Saarloos. Go on training him, but dont demand too much.
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