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28-12-2007, 12:56 | #121 | |
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Tell us the story about Wolfie, please Rick |
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28-12-2007, 20:14 | #122 | |
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So what? Angelika |
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28-12-2007, 21:29 | #123 |
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It is a bit off topic, but not entirely, because it's about responsability. I send you a private message.
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clean up
hi, i have recieved message from friend in France, seems the photos of the kennels at de louba tar has had an effect, i am told that the kennels have been very busy for a few weeks now, lots of cleaning and tidy up, i see also dogs for sale on wolfdog.org and other sites, i said this is great news for the dogs, then i find out to day that people want to go to de louba tar and visit to see conditions,,,,,,, knew it was to good to be true,, so if you are one of the visitors going to the kennels it would be nice to see some photos of the excercise areas, we can compair photos and see any improvments, also if you can count the dogs, then ask where they are kept at night, the kennel block has 24 kennels so if we double up that is beds for 48 dogs,, you can also ask to see breeders licence? and the papers from french ministry stating the number of dogs she is allowed to keep at the kennels, it will be nice for people to visit, you can ask to see pomme, skog and zasa zen, these are all pure bred registered saarloos that have been used in de loba tar breedings, well they are saarloos arnt they? do let us all know what you think? you may be very lucky and see sid laird chakka lou another saarloos being well used for breeding. happy new year to all have nice day in France. regards paul
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02-01-2008, 13:01 | #125 |
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I wonder why this topic hasn't been closed down yet?
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03-01-2008, 20:06 | #126 |
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I´m goint to answer to michaelundinaeichhorn. I think that the conditions in which this animals are living are horrible. But for me is not so important that they are mixed with shaarloos, or another kind of dog. For me the most important is the bad condittions they are living in. Inma.
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03-01-2008, 20:26 | #127 | |
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Those genes seem to be recesiv, what means they can be carried and spread over several generations till they happen to get obvious. For the breed this is of much greater importance than even 109 abused dogs - if they are living under such horrible conditions, what we don´t know for sure till now. Ina |
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08-01-2008, 17:36 | #128 | |
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Will the disregarded members of the CSV owners community start their own splinter-group? With Paul as their leader? Please, people, start thinking for yourselves and try not to judge anyone becouse ONE person accuses another... I have read this topic with growing amazement about how easily all you people (some exceptions offcourse) judge and get emotional about a place you have NEVER been, owned by a lady you have NEVER met or talked to. Let this Paul fight his own fight with Mrs. Keizer and give your spicy opinions only when you know ALL the facts. Try to hear both sides of this story. Be a little bit more like your intelligent WOLFDOGS and follow your own judgements, you own eyes and your own ears, instead of following the one that makes the most noise... stop behaving like SHEEP... |
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08-01-2008, 22:33 | #129 | |
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From reading the posts in this topic, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me that your fight IS with Mrs. Keizer. If this is meant to put an end to puppy farms all over Europe, what are the names of the other farms you have taken legal actions against? What are the names of the owners and where are the pictures of these other kennels? For your other question, I am not aware of the law regarding the chipping-regulations and the use of kennel-names. I am not a breeder And are you saying that her whole stock is unhealthy and carrying defects that will come out in the pups? This would mean that no good dog could come from there? As for my earlier reply; what I was referring to were those people who immediately juge a person becouse someone else (in this case you) say they should... It would be wise to find out the whole story from both sides. Quote:
This seems to me like a fight with Mrs. Keizer only?.... |
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10-01-2008, 10:42 | #132 |
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Where´s the action?
So Paul, it has been about a month since your first post about the situation in the Louba Tar kennels. Where is your action? When will be all the informations and hard facts, you talked about, finally revealed?
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10-01-2008, 14:24 | #133 |
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when the radd or dutch kennel club get there finger out, they will decide on there action, we only wait to see if they run or help,,, as for me i wait on my friends from europe, if it was my decision and up to me, it would be in court to day, and in every dog mag and paper i work with, but i must wait while others who know more do there job, it is frustrating for me but i give my word to these people who have been collecting evidence for OVER 4 YEARS,,,, i give evidence on Mrs Keizer and 2 other kennels, it is signed and i am prepared to go to Holland when asked, but there are lots more involved that even i dont know about, my friends have all the facts and evidence on these breeders, every thing must be 100% correct, there are a few loose ends to finnish then all will be correct for court,, if this was in uk, the photos i show would be enough to close de louba tar down, no court needed she would be banned from breeding and owning any animals for life,,, but there is lots more, breedings, registrations, if it were a few dogs it would be great but it involves over 150 dogs and each dog has to be checked for certain things, this will give you some idea of the massive task and why it has taken years and not weeks, these are clever and devious people who have tried there best to cover there tracks for the past 12 yrs or more, they are not stupid and know some very clever and respected people, we must be very careful as one mistake could cost the case, so please wait like i must, but i give my word to all, it will happen, regards paul
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10-01-2008, 21:28 | #134 |
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Hi Paul,
May i ask who you're working with then? Are they breeders like you, who are gaining from the closing of mrs. Keizers kennel? Regards, Barry
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10-01-2008, 21:47 | #135 |
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People, this topic will be closed until Paul have news about this history.
Is possible find replies for some questions in this topic, if still remain doubt's is possible send a private message or a direct mail for Paul. Please be patient. |
12-03-2008, 21:28 | #136 |
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Just wondering - de louba-tar
I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything regarding the actions Paul had supposedly had taken towards a breeder in France?
I know the discussion was closed.. but I think an update is justified.. Paul made quite some accusations … I think a follow up, especially if his accusations have not been proven, is fair and necessary. regards, Bengan |
12-03-2008, 21:32 | #137 |
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I told him the topic will be opened when he have all proofs officially as the DNA exams, i'm only waiting the confirmation PM for this.
I wonder is why soo many times for a DNA exams... |
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You could think that he was just making empty accusations, it's a shame.. Bengan |
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12-03-2008, 23:02 | #139 | |
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14-03-2008, 11:27 | #140 | |
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Question.. if the dogs are not registered in France but in the Netherlands.. why would she need to have a breeders license for France..? She is registered with the dutch kennel club as a breeder and fills all the requirements that are needed, http://www.raadvanbeheer.nl/uploads/...rochureHKB.pdf (sorry but its only in dutch) As far as I can tell, looking through all the rules from the dutch kennel club.. there is nothing that says a dog has to be born in the Netherlands in order to receive a dutch pedigree/registration.. As for the accusations regarding "Skog" not being a saarloos.. I believe that is one of the accusations that Paul is trying to prove.. so in all fairness, you shold wait until there has been a judgment. I still have a few open questions.. regarding your "Club" .. Paul stated that all breeding is witnessed by 2 members and that your club is documenting everything in the hoop that the CWD will someday be accepted/recognized in the UK and that all the dogs that you have breed without an official pedigree up will then be recognized. My questions were .. how many members are there? what is the name of your club..? (have not been able to find any info - google or otherwise) Is the club registered and is it possible to see the official club charter? Who are the board members and when were the elections..? Normal information that one could find on say a club website. Looking forward to your reply. Bengan |
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