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08-01-2008, 16:21 | #1 |
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CzW breeders in UK
hi there are two breeders in uk. myself paul and my friend Andre, it seems we have problem on web site as uk breeders do not have flag or been updated, so its hard for peple to contact or find us via wolfdog.org we wil soon have our own web sit for uk so people can find us, there are pups born yester day in uk, all our breeding stock are hip tested and eye tested, we vet everyone who wants a puppy, you have to visit to see the dogs we then decide weather you are suitable owner for a Czechoslovakian wolfdog, this is our third litter born in uk from 2003, regards paul
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I'm new to this forum and my questions might already have been answered..but here it is .. If a CWdog has a litter in the UK.. are the puppies eligible for an official pedigree and or are they officially recognized as a CWdog by an FCI recognized institute or organization? regards Bengan |
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16-01-2008, 00:10 | #3 | |
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16-01-2008, 01:28 | #4 | |
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You said that that you have had 3 litters in the UK and that means that they do not have a FCI recognized registration. I hope for you sake that the CWDog is recognized, in the UK, in the near future. Personally I don't think it's very advantageous for the breed to have that many non recognized dog in the population. I could also imagine that breeders in the rest of Europe ,where the CWDog is recognized, would not be very willing to breed with a CWDog that was born in the UK and without an official pedigree. Down the road people Could raise questions on how pure the offspring are, breeding with a non recognized dog is cross breeding to some people. Once again thank you for the clarification. Bengan |
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20-01-2008, 23:05 | #5 | |
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Question.. you said that your club is keeping records, the chipping is done by a club member and the mating is witnessed by 2 members.. What is the name of your club in the UK and is it an official club with a registered club charter..? and how many members are there and how can one become a member..? Quote:
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31-01-2008, 20:24 | #7 |
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Paul I guess I have to ask the question again..
"Paul, Question.. you said that your club is keeping records, the chipping is done by a club member and the mating is witnessed by 2 members.. What is the name of your club in the UK and is it an official club with a registered club charter..? and how many members are there and how can one become a member..? " How many members are there.. or is it just you and Mandy..? would explain how two member could be present during the mating.. Correct me if I am wrong.. but I could not find anything on your website.. or even through google.. regarding "your club" If there is a club... would love to see the charter and member list...website.... the ball is in your court so to say... Bengan |
01-02-2008, 00:28 | #8 |
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I’ve spent some time working and living in UK. During this time tried to find people with CsV. I’ve contacted a lot people in love with Czech Wolfdogs. Some of them are the owners of CsV. As you know CsV are not recognized breed in UK. It means for “breeders” – they can’t sell puppies as pure breed. So any people I’ve contacted decided to cross pure Czech, as they want this blood for pups, but have no hope for “legal” litters. To be true – this people are not ready to fight for Wolfdogs. They may love them, adore them, they want to breed them but… nothing more. I met in UK one man Wolfdog crazy. He and his family left all and decided to go one way – Czech Wolfdog way. They live close to their CsV, spent whole time with them. They are brave – they keep Czech Wolfdogs officially – as CsV, even they could be punished for this. They do lot’s of paperwork with UK Kennel Club, year after year trying to be closer to recognition of the breed. They do not cross CsV, keep them pure and tested. The people are Paul and Mandy, the only ones ready to fight for Wolfdogs in UK. They opened their house and hearts for me and my Wolfdogs. They always asked – how we can help you here in UK. And finally they helped me a lot. XXX UK is not FCI country. It will never be that FCI rules would be there. As you live there, you can see – everything in UK is opposite than in EU. So the HD measure is different as well. Thinking about breeding in UK – bringing CsV to UK and making litters is first step that should be done to recognize the breed in UK. They need bigger population, if not – have no chance for recognition. As I understand the idea – now, as CsV are not recognized, but also in future, as they will be official Kennel Club breed – UK Wolfdogs (litters) are for UK people. So they always will be “pets” for EU breeders, but breeding by Paul – we can be sure they will be pure and healthy Czech. I’ve met Paul’s Wolfdogs few times – they are VERY open, healthy and full of joy. Full of energy as well They look much better than SOME of CsV I’ve met, showing my dogs in West EU. They love visitors. Have very nice and strong characters. I wish all CsV would have characters like them. You may not like Paul, or ways how he is reacting, but if you think about the breed – you can sleep well. By |
03-02-2008, 12:49 | #9 | |
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Furthermore, Paul, once again to you.. one wonders, are you really just all talk ? Asking me, an owner of SWH to provide you with the DNA testing is useless. If you want information, dna of my dog i am all but willing to assist. For all other actions i advise you, once again , to take an official way, the dutch kennelclub provides such a way, which you should have known if you were only half way serious, and put your money actually were your mouth is, and don't try and hide later on by stating you "asked" me for assistance in DNA testing but i was not willing to help And no, i do not question dna testing done under the auspicien of the UK kennel club, nor do i question dna results done under the same conditions. HD tests done by a local vet, well, those i always take in a little sceptic, but hey, that is irrelevant, cause the dogs don't have papers to start with ! I know the UK is not a FCI country, but i can go to crufst with my irish red, import a stud and use it on my fci dogs and get FCI papers.. can you provide the same? I could better refrase and state that i do frown apon breeding without official papers, for many countries that being FCI, specially the origin countries of both SWD and TWD. All other can imho in no way benifit 2 breeds with already such small populations! |
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27-04-2008, 11:31 | #10 | |
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since you found, agina the time to write all this..
i, am maybe some other memebrs with me are curious to the quetstions Bengan hast posted for you in several topics, which you seem to oversee or ignore.. as a reminder: Quote:
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30-04-2008, 14:31 | #11 | |
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i am only concerned for the welfare of the dogs the breeders will answer to the kennel clubs and the FCI and get there justly rewards. r winder |
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30-04-2008, 19:54 | #12 | |
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Pit Bull was sometimes banned in some states here using the UK law as excuse and exemple, not only Pit Bulls but some other breeds, some that still nor have enter on my country, this not happens only where I live but in others countries too, that's why any law that envolves control of the breeding of one dog worry all people wich loves this breed, it's the case, for UK is very difficult breeding CzW and they, as I read, are treat as wild animals because DEFRA laws. Suposed that happen an accident with a CzW in other country, wich law people will use for ban this breed or put a rigorous control of the breeding in the country? the DEFRA law. That's why clubs and the situation of the breed in a country that already have laws against this breed worry all people that loves CzW. |
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28-06-2008, 18:05 | #13 | |
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I guess you have your own option as to what is important and it’s easier to point a finger at someone else then to look at oneself and what you are doing to the breeding stock without something so trivial as breeding without a recognized or registered breeding club or FCI registration. You’ve made a lot of claims.. regarding your club and the manner in which you operate as well as claims about actions of other breeders in Europe.. You have not answered any of the question regarding your so called club and the as of yet you have not produced any prove or shown any reaction from the kennel club in the Netherlands.. You may find my comments as sarcastic.. but you have been blowing your horn about some breeders in Europe and continue to tell us that it will all come and that many dogs will be losing their registration, causing unrest by many owners. You have been doing this for the last 6 months.. and still nothing has been proven or even been published in any press.. and the claims that the dogs will be removed from the breeder because of the living conditions. I have not heard of any of this.. and if the situation was really as bad as you claimed and you had reported it to the proper authorities one would think that some action would have been taken.. I hope everyone will… To quote you “get there justly rewards” or should I say “their just rewards”.. Bengan |
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