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Breed standard & bonitations How typical CzW should look like, measurements and commentaries to the breed standard, information about bonitations and youth presentations.... |
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24-11-2010, 17:53 | #81 | |
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Daiva........you posted your text to me...to my former post. What kind of reaction did you expect??????? And the topic was starting with Gisu...and always come back to this dog...some of you didn't wrote the name just pionting...but we all know that you are talking about him ! Edit |
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24-11-2010, 17:57 | #82 | |
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my male usually does it... and never starts to fight first (or only in some cases when he must protect me or other "pack" members), but he is surely able to (it's checked ). does it mean that i own a pekinesse? and what is dominancy? desire to kill all moving around? somebody is wrong now... |
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24-11-2010, 17:58 | #83 | |
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24-11-2010, 18:01 | #84 |
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yes...you are right...something is wrong.....
everybody sing theire own song for me a well socialized , handable dog could behave in dogshow, could behave among another dogs, people. And it doesn't mean that this kind of dogs don't fit to the standard!!!! If you couldn't handle your dog's agressivity/dominancy it means not you are the pack leader. That's simple. |
24-11-2010, 18:10 | #85 |
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...it all looks like some people try to turn serious faults into specialities
dog can be dominant, can be calm, can be active etc., but never must be shy or agressive. and this difference exists, sorry. dog must be handable and obidient. maybe some people lazy to train their dogs want to say that their dogs are just typical we all are different too with different temperaments, but we all are normal (i hope ). so there is a difference between individual characteristic and pathology and this is big mistake to mix it. |
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To be honest I think the problems here occure because we are all talking here in a foreign language. Obviously these dogs did fit Edits expectations like they did fit yours or both of you wouldn´t have used them. Quote:
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We have close contact not only to Juri but to several dogs out of this litter all have an extremly good charakter but there are people that should have known better that called them hyperaktiv - the new fashionable term, used on every dog behaving just normal for a typical CSW. Giving clear signals they behave very well and - sorry - very calm on leash and perfectly normal according to the standard. So if somebody tells me about horrible charakters of dogs I ask till I know why they think it is horrible and mostly my opinion is different. |
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24-11-2010, 19:00 | #87 |
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Reading quick through posts it seems you all, breeders, make a strong link between a dog character and the way to breed it, like if character transmission was strong as suggested in J. Jedlička paper, but from the paper "The genetic contribution to canine personality" this is really not the case: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...5&postcount=47
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24-11-2010, 19:59 | #88 |
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As Margo keeps insulting other breeds I want to say something from my little experiences...
I was allways a little worried about Brukne's behavior - she never shows any agressiveness towards people (unless they are agressive towards me, not her ), but she is really not too good with other females (except her sister Walmaj and Callisto z Peronowki ) and young males I used to think, that I've mist something in her education... BUT. When I started to create a TV show about dogs, I had a possibility to spend time with breeders of various breeds every week. Known breeders in Lithuania and other countries. Experienced ones. Believe me, that was a release! Pekinesses were trying to kiss me (10 of them at once), but after 5 minuts two males were trying to kill each other!!! Breeder had to make a good work to tear them apart! Chihuahua males - just the same! Breeder of Great Danes said "I can take a male and one of the females - females can not be kept together in one car or outside!) White swiss shepherds - females live apart from each other in one home My friend, breeding German shepherds, said "oh my female just bite my face" as this is a totally normal thing And many other examples |
24-11-2010, 20:30 | #89 |
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Take is as: or or
I love also other breeds. I LOVE pugs - I have always a lot of fun with them... I like them since one of them terrorized Bolton - I never met such "insolent" young lady... I love GSD - I had them for years and they still own part of my heart. I love malinois - if I would not have CzW I would own one of them... I like pekinese - I owned a peke-mix many years ago. HE was a dominant dog - more dominant than caucasian ovtscharka owned by my friends... There are many really great breeds.... But there is always something what gives the reason to "insult" them.... (even if it works in both sides )
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24-11-2010, 20:38 | #90 | |
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But it is nothing - now the "top" breeds in PL are yorkshire terriers... You really can not imagine how many people come to our kennel club asking for advice because the yorks are terrorizing their families: bitting children, guests or attacking other dogs... The most agressive dogs which I meet on dog shows are... labradors... It is much more "dangerous" by their ring than by amstaffs...
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24-11-2010, 22:12 | #91 | |
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After "Pedigree dogs" I think every breeder should think twice before try to use the dogshow titles as merit and proof of quality because now lay people also got informed about what's happening at the dogshows. For CzW it's even more sad, because often what the judges are seeking for and considering as correct is completly different of what the standard ask for. It's unbelievable that there are still breeders which give value to show titles and even select their studs taking the titles as basis.
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24-11-2010, 22:24 | #92 | |
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At the same dog shows typical CzWs get descriptions: dog with "too long legs", "not enough angulated" with "too short tails"... And of course with too small chest.... If the CzW breeders would pay attention to the shows results the CzW would already share the fate of Germans Shepherds which changed from such dogs: to such .... dogs(?)
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24-11-2010, 22:24 | #93 |
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And the sadest thing is when they like the "wolfish" character I've heard some very experienced cynologists saying, that YES, it is normal for CzW to be afraid of people
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24-11-2010, 22:25 | #94 | |
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Best regards / Mikael
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24-11-2010, 22:36 | #95 |
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I like GSD like this one >>> http://www.ruffgsd.com/Images/Puppie...306/ester2.jpg
This one is from Czech Republic line... Maybee there is still some hope for the GSD breed after all ? Best regards / M
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24-11-2010, 22:44 | #96 | |
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this are slovak dogs, who work in policie and others systems. |
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24-11-2010, 22:45 | #97 |
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nice malinois As I repeat from time to time that breed creators made big mistake when the use gsd no malinois
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24-11-2010, 22:49 | #98 |
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i think this are.... old GSD not malinois
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24-11-2010, 23:31 | #99 |
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I understand about GSD, but to be fair, most of the dogs here that are 'liked' are also not stacked 'properly' as a show form.
Of course when one takes show-GSD in stack and compares to old-style GSD in normal stance, the difference looks like a different breed. Take the old-style GSD and put that one in a show stack.. it'll still be different but similarities will be there. |
24-11-2010, 23:35 | #100 |
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