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14-04-2003, 22:35 | #1 |
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Protest - norwegische Verbot des TWH
Dringend !! Protestieren Sie gegen das norwegische Verbot des Czechoslovak ian wolfdog
Liebe Freunde! Da der norwegische Vorschlag (vom 24.4!), den CSV zu verbieten, wahrschein lich genehmigt wird, ware es außerst hilfreich, wenn Mitglieder von Wolfdo g.org einen Protest per E-Mail an die verantwortlichen Parteien senden wur den! Unten aufgefuhrt ist ein Vorschlagstext fur solch einen Protest, zusatzlich die relevanten E-Mailadressen. Auch wenn jeder denselben Protest und Betrefftitel sendet, wird dies mehr Beachtung erlangen, als einzelne Mails! Jede Kopie wird au ch an die norwegischen Medien gesandt. Die Medien werden wahrscheinlich ni cht reagieren(es ist Ostern und der norwegische Vorschlag ist nicht so int eressant wie der Krieg im Irak!), aber solche Kopien an die Medien werden die Politiker ein bißchen argern und sind deshalb eine gute Sache! Auch wenn Sie Kontakte oder gute Ideen zur Weitergabe an andere Maillisten , Hundegemeinschaften oder Gruppen haben, dann nutzen Sie diese Bitte!! ---------- Vorschlag Thementitel : Norwegischer Vorschlag, den Slowakischen National hund zu verbieten Liebes Komiteemitglied, liebe Mitglieder des Parlaments, als ein Mitglied der internationalen Gemeinschaft wurde ich gerne meine Überraschung ausdrucken, oder stumpf gesagt, meine Verachtung bezuglich dem norwegischen Vorschlag, den Czechoslovakian Wolfdog zu verbieten. Ihr verantwortliches Ministerium vermutet anscheinend, daß der Czechoslova kian wolfdog zu "wölfisch" ist, aufgrund der Inzucht vom Wolfsanteil in der fruhen Geschic hte, sodaß die Rasse als gefahrlich erachtet werden muß. Dies ist einfach Unsinn, und zeigt eine entsetzliche Unkenntnis. Der Czechoslovakian Wolfdog ist nicht mehr Wolf oder mehr gefahrlicher als z. B. Der Belgische Schaferhund, Malamutes oder sogar der deutsche Schaferhund. Das "Wölfische" liegt in seiner Erscheinung, und die Wolfeig enschaften im Verhalten sind modifiziert, wie bei jeder anderen "Haus"-Hunderasse . >>> Er ist bekannt als Familien- und Arbeitshund! Und daruber hinaus als der "Slowakische Nationalhund", und somit sehr weit entfernt vom Wolf oder eine m Hybriden!!! Rein sein Äußeres laßt etwas "wölfisches" vermuten!! Ich hoffe sehr, daß Sie das Verbot von Czechoslovakian wolfdogs uberdenken . Mit freundlichen Grußen (Ihr Name und Ihre Staatsangehörigkeit) |
15-04-2003, 21:55 | #2 |
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Protest
Hallo J. K.
habe Deine Mail zur Kenntnis genommen. Bin auch absolut Deiner Meinung aber hätte gerne den Grund des Verbotes gewusst. Muß ja irgendein Argument gegen die Haltung von TWH`s in Norwegen geben. Kann ja nicht nur an der Optik liegen. Außer in Schweden wird dort in den Skandinavischen Ländern viel Wert auf den Tierschutz gelegt. Da mein Mann sich lange Zeit dort aufgehalten hat, kann er nur bestätigen, dass in der Regel dort viel mehr für artgerechtere Tierhaltung getan wird, als wir hier in dem doch so schönen Deutschland. Auf jeden Fall kennter dort keiner "Pohlmann" Eier . Kann mir ja schon wieder vorstellen, wie viele böse Mails kommen, aber wichtiger würde ich es trozdem finden, wenn man sich im eigenen Land anrangiert. Wir in Deutschland haben ja wohl seit "Wolkan" ganz andere Probleme. Marion |
22-04-2003, 16:24 | #3 | |
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Protest - norwegische Verbot des TWH
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Norwegen zu machen. Es geht NUR um aussehen. Die offiziele Grunde sind lustig (oder besser gesagt traurig): die Ministerium hat keine Ahnung über diese Rasse, aber Tschechoslowakische Wolfshunde sehen wie Wölfe aus, also müssen sie sehr gefährlich sein... Echt! Ich habe an Anfang auch gedacht, es ist bloß ein schlechter Witz, aber für norwegische Politiker sind diese Gründe ausreichend... (( Grüsse, Margo PS: Hier is Per Olav's Brief. Enjoy! ====================== These are the official reasons given by the Norwegian Ministry of Justice. The Ministry writes: "the Department bases this on that both are breeds with large requirements to their owners. Precise information on amount of wolf content, has not come forth. For Saarloos Wolfdog the last inbreeding of wolf was approx. 40 years ago. CSV has a shorter history, and the first successful inbreeding with wolf in the breeding program was in 1958. These dogs are few in Norway today. The Department is not aware that they have caused any damage or harm." and "The Department has come to the conclusion that Saarloos Wolfdog should follow the general rule for the time being, while the CSV should be considered a dangerous dog according to the new law. It can not be excluded that it could become relevant to forbid the Saarloos Wolfdog also, especially if it appears in communities that can not be assumed to have a responsible attitude to such dogs." In other words: The Ministry has no information of the breed, but is argueing that the closer the wolf - the more dangerous the breed. To stay safe they are banning. Thats why the Ministry accept the GSDs and the Belgian Sheperd dogs, the Saarloos is temporarily accepted but the CSV as the youngest breed should be banned. Below is an English translation of the Ministrys arguements regarding wolf and dog crosses - enjoy 15.5.4 Should crosses between dog and wolf be considered dangerous dogs? Several instances asked to give recommendations concerning a new dog law, are in favor of a ban on breeding dog-wolf crosses and also a prohibition against keeping or importing such mixed breeds. . Dangerous behavior towards human beings from wolves in their natural environment is practically nonexistent. As is apparent from section 15.4, a large number of groups agree that crosses between dog and wolf are dangerous for people. Internationally, there is an increasing interest in certain communities in wolf-dog crosses with a high wolf content. The Department chooses this as a basis and therefore suggests as a starting point that such animals be defined as dangerous dogs. There is less agreement on how high such a wolf content should be, for the animal to be classified as dangerous and therefore banned. The Norwegian Kennel Club maintain that all dog breeds have roots in animals considered wolves, and that also many of the dog breeds of today have some association or other to wolves in the breed's early days. The Department will maintain that the question to be discussed, is how much inbreeding of wild wolf in dog in recent time should be encompassed by a ban. In the evaluation of a ban, there should, amongst others, be sought a definition that is as practical as possible. Several dog breeds may have wolf in the breeding process prior to the dog being acknowledged a breed by FCI of which the Norwegian Kennel Club is a member. In recent time this is the case for the Saarlos Wolfdog and the CSV. It can not be excluded that the same is the case for eg. The German Shepherd Dog, Alaskan Malamute, Siberian Husky and the Belgian Sheepdog breeds. But especially the German Shepherd Dog is an extensively tested and wellknown dog breed which, even though with a possible early wolf element, has a normal function in society and is also utilized as a working dog to a great extent. The Department has been in doubt to how extensive a ban on dog types that are a cross between wolf and dog, should be. The Department has as a starting-point, that it has no grounds to suggest banning of dog types that are well established in this country. It could be appropriate to restrict this to dog breeds with original wolf mixing, which are registered in Norway by the Norwegian Kennel Club before January 1st 2003. (Alternative translation: It could be appropriate to accept all dog breeds acknowledged by the Norwegian Kennel Club before January 1st 2003, regardless of original wolf content) But if there has been an inbreeding of pure wolf in individuals of the breed after the breed has been acknowledged by the FCI which the registrations in the Norwegian Kennel Club are based on, the ban should encompass offspring from such individuals. With such a restriction, the Department assumes that the ban can protect against new dog types that are a mix between wolf and dog, that the prohibition can practically be enforced, and that established and widespread dog types are not affected by the ban. The abovementioned restriction, means that the dog breeds CSV and Saarloos Wolfdog are not affected by the ban. However, the Department finds it necessary to evaluate in particular a ban against these breeds. The Department bases this on that both are breeds with large requirements to their owners. Precise information on amount of wolf content, has not come forth. For Saarloos Wolfdog the last inbreeding of wolf was approx. 40 years ago. CSV has a shorter history, and the first successful inbreeding with wolf in the breeding program was in 1958. These dogs are few in Norway today. The Department is not aware that they have caused any damage or harm. The Swedish Kennel Club decided in 1997 that Saarloss Wolfdog and CSV should not be allowed to be registered or participate in any Kennel Club based activity. In a press notice the 29th of April 1997 the Board of the Swedish Kennel Club said amongst others: <<One of the breeds in question comes from former Czechoslavakia, is called ceskoslovensky vlcak and is considered very shy and watchful. It was given an interrim approval by the FCI in 1992. The other breed is from the Netherlands, is called saarloos woolfhond, and has a very reserved and independent manner. This breed has a final FCI approval. Both breeds are very similar to the wolf, also exteriorwise. The Swedish kennel Club has previously taken a definite stand against non-registered wolf hybrids. Amongst others in "remissvar"(written and posted answers?) and in a policy decision not to allow wolf breeds to participate in any activities within the organisation. The same applies to the socalled pitbull terrier. One of the reasons for the strong dissociation from these breedmixes, is a considerably increased risk of harm to people and other animals.>> The Department has come to the conclusion that Saarloos Wolfdog should follow the general rule for the time being, while the CSV should be considered a dangerous dog according to the new law. It can not be excluded that it could become relevant to forbid the Saarloos Wolfdog also, especially if it appears in communities that can not be assumed to have a responsible attitude to such dogs. |
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22-04-2003, 21:41 | #4 |
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Protest
Hallo Margo,
danke für Deine Mail und ich nehme mir noch diese Woche Zeit, Dir ausführlich zu antworten. Da die Antwort sehr ausfühlich wird, hoffe ich auf Deine Gedult und grüße Dich ganz lieb aus Hannover, Deutschland. Marion |
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